Comments on: Homosexuality and Reason http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/ Comments on All Things Anglican and Sometimes More by the Grammatically Challenged Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:18:57 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Scott http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-767 Scott Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:18:57 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-767 Ariana Parker Says: Friday, 10 October 2008 Listen. I’m Bisexial and let me tell you something. . . . I have been waiting for some time for such a narcissist response to my posting. Your personal lust is a social problem. I would suggest that having comradeship with you is nearly impossible for anyone as it seems you lust after everyone. Make no mistake about it, your response is narcissist in the extreme. It has, in all societies, been a function of society to control sexual lust or at least the acting upon such lust. It is not my intent to ruin your life, but I cannot support or condone your lifestyle. Again this is a religious blog and the Christian answer to your post is clear. Please let me tell you something in all love and charity. You are in willful conflict with the teaching of Christ and the Church. Please consider seeking help to guide you in repentance and amendment of life. Ariana Parker Says: Friday, 10 October 2008 Listen. I’m Bisexial and let me tell you something. . . .

I have been waiting for some time for such a narcissist response to my posting. Your personal lust is a social problem. I would suggest that having comradeship with you is nearly impossible for anyone as it seems you lust after everyone.

Make no mistake about it, your response is narcissist in the extreme. It has, in all societies, been a function of society to control sexual lust or at least the acting upon such lust. It is not my intent to ruin your life, but I cannot support or condone your lifestyle.

Again this is a religious blog and the Christian answer to your post is clear. Please let me tell you something in all love and charity. You are in willful conflict with the teaching of Christ and the Church. Please consider seeking help to guide you in repentance and amendment of life.

]]> By: Ariana Parker http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-765 Ariana Parker Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:29:23 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-765 Listen. I'm Bisexial and let me tell you something. ITS NOT A SOCIAL PROBLEM Im that way because I WANT to be. I like girls and guys I like penis and vagina.' I love the body of a woman and of a man Thats is how I will allways be and its people like you who ruin the lives of people like me. I think your just IGNORANT!!!!! Listen. I’m Bisexial and let me tell you something.

ITS NOT A SOCIAL PROBLEM

Im that way because I WANT to be. I like girls and guys

I like penis and vagina.’

I love the body of a woman and of a man

Thats is how I will allways be and its people like you who ruin the lives of people like me. I think your just IGNORANT!!!!!

]]> By: franksta http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-8 franksta Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:01:11 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-8 Scott, I am coming late to this dialogue, as I just found your blog today, so I don't know if you'll read this. Of course, sodomy is a sin--Scripture, tradition, and reason all bear this out--the acceptance of sodomy is the reason I left TEC. And I will even agree with your thinking up to a point, namely that the presence of a sexually active homosexual in a group of men threatens comradeship. BUT, I am curious...are you saying that the presence of ANY man who has EVER experienced homosexual attractions also threatens that comradeship? Does it matter if that man has homosexual attractions but has never acted on them? Or if he has, but it was in the distant past? Or if his homosexual attractions are fleeting or infrequent? The reason I ask is two-fold. First, I am an "ex-gay," once practicing homosexuality but repentant of that and seeking to live a holy life. The thought that my presence in a group threatens comradeship would surely come as a surprise to my close, intimate friends and fellow churchmen (all of whom know my past). Their comradeship, which at times has involved working together closely or sharing close quarters, has not proven destructive for any of us, but in fact has been a significant avenue of "recovery" for me as I have come to find a better understanding of masculinity by being in the company (and acceptance) of men. The second is like unto it. I have led a support group and counseled men with homosexual attractions. The overwhelming majority of those seeking my assistance were married, churchgoing men. Their struggles were unknown to anyone outside of the support group--their comrades had no idea of their battles. My point is simply that in any company of Christian men, it is impossible to know for certain that no one there has such attractions. So, if this makes sense, I'm curious for your response. Every blessing, Frank Scott,

I am coming late to this dialogue, as I just found your blog today, so I don’t know if you’ll read this.

Of course, sodomy is a sin–Scripture, tradition, and reason all bear this out–the acceptance of sodomy is the reason I left TEC. And I will even agree with your thinking up to a point, namely that the presence of a sexually active homosexual in a group of men threatens comradeship. BUT, I am curious…are you saying that the presence of ANY man who has EVER experienced homosexual attractions also threatens that comradeship? Does it matter if that man has homosexual attractions but has never acted on them? Or if he has, but it was in the distant past? Or if his homosexual attractions are fleeting or infrequent?

The reason I ask is two-fold. First, I am an “ex-gay,” once practicing homosexuality but repentant of that and seeking to live a holy life. The thought that my presence in a group threatens comradeship would surely come as a surprise to my close, intimate friends and fellow churchmen (all of whom know my past). Their comradeship, which at times has involved working together closely or sharing close quarters, has not proven destructive for any of us, but in fact has been a significant avenue of “recovery” for me as I have come to find a better understanding of masculinity by being in the company (and acceptance) of men.

The second is like unto it. I have led a support group and counseled men with homosexual attractions. The overwhelming majority of those seeking my assistance were married, churchgoing men. Their struggles were unknown to anyone outside of the support group–their comrades had no idea of their battles. My point is simply that in any company of Christian men, it is impossible to know for certain that no one there has such attractions.

So, if this makes sense, I’m curious for your response.

Every blessing,

Frank

]]> By: traditionalanglican http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-7 traditionalanglican Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:51:28 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-7 One of my points is that I should be allowed the assumption that when with a group of men, there will not be sexual attraction. If there is sexual attraction between certain members then they should be excluded from the group. I know this offends liberal orthodoxies, but so be it. I could expand this idea but will not do so here, choosing to stick to the topic of comradeship for the secular discussion. This is a religious blog. Tradition and Holy Scripture condemn sodomy, so even if you do not like my logic, sodomy is still wrong. One of my points is that I should be allowed the assumption that when with a group of men, there will not be sexual attraction. If there is sexual attraction between certain members then they should be excluded from the group. I know this offends liberal orthodoxies, but so be it.

I could expand this idea but will not do so here, choosing to stick to the topic of comradeship for the secular discussion. This is a religious blog. Tradition and Holy Scripture condemn sodomy, so even if you do not like my logic, sodomy is still wrong.

]]> By: NancyP http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-6 NancyP Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:09:28 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-6 I have to say, what makes you think that gays are automatically attracted to every individual of their own sex? Straights aren't attracted to every individual of the opposite sex. Some individuals are less picky than others, true. And attraction varies according to venue - a man might not look twice at a sweaty dusty woman doing construction chores on a Habitat for Humanity site, but might be interested in the same woman in the clean state in a swimsuit at the beach, or in a sexy dress at a club. And individuals have the ability to repress their attraction in situations where that is necessary, eg, at a retreat, or at Mass, or at work, or.... Even if Jane thinks Father John is hot, she oughtn't to be thinking about hotness if John+ is married, gay, priest of her parish, or in the middle of priestly duties at the time. I happen to agree with #1 - the concern with other people's sexuality is often an insecurity in handling your own sexuality - whether a heterosexual p0rn user or a repressed heterosexual or a repressed gay. I have to say, what makes you think that gays are automatically attracted to every individual of their own sex? Straights aren’t attracted to every individual of the opposite sex. Some individuals are less picky than others, true. And attraction varies according to venue – a man might not look twice at a sweaty dusty woman doing construction chores on a Habitat for Humanity site, but might be interested in the same woman in the clean state in a swimsuit at the beach, or in a sexy dress at a club. And individuals have the ability to repress their attraction in situations where that is necessary, eg, at a retreat, or at Mass, or at work, or…. Even if Jane thinks Father John is hot, she oughtn’t to be thinking about hotness if John+ is married, gay, priest of her parish, or in the middle of priestly duties at the time.

I happen to agree with #1 – the concern with other people’s sexuality is often an insecurity in handling your own sexuality – whether a heterosexual p0rn user or a repressed heterosexual or a repressed gay.

]]> By: traditionalanglican http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-5 traditionalanglican Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:10:54 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-5 I got to thinking, if I were a repressed homosexual because I am a Christian, what is wrong with that being so. Holy Scripture tells us that homosexual acts are wrong. Suppressing that which tends to cause them to sin is proper for people. Sorry, to blow his theory but a repressed homosexual I am not. If I were for the sake of Christ, I would proudly so state. I got to thinking, if I were a repressed homosexual because I am a Christian, what is wrong with that being so. Holy Scripture tells us that homosexual acts are wrong. Suppressing that which tends to cause them to sin is proper for people.

Sorry, to blow his theory but a repressed homosexual I am not. If I were for the sake of Christ, I would proudly so state.

]]> By: traditionalanglican http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-4 traditionalanglican Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:59:31 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-4 Thank you David. I have runout of creative answers to this charge. Thank you David. I have runout of creative answers to this charge.

]]> By: Douglas Lewis http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-3 Douglas Lewis Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:31:35 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-3 I disagree with #1. Both sexes need a venue for friendship that does not spill over into sexuality, particularly because our culture is so sexualized. Interpreting a statement like this as an indicator of 'sexual attraction problems' is a common fallacy. I disagree with #1. Both sexes need a venue for friendship that does not spill over into sexuality, particularly because our culture is so sexualized. Interpreting a statement like this as an indicator of ’sexual attraction problems’ is a common fallacy.

]]> By: Anonymous http://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-2 Anonymous Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:04:50 +0000 https://traditionalanglican.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/homosexuality-and-reason/#comment-2 Sounds like you have some sexual attraction problems of your own. Maybe you need to get over the fact that, oh my gosh, some or at least one of your friends might be gay. This does not mean that you cannot be comrades. It only means that you need to be secure in your own sexual desires not to let it be an issue. If you were really secure in your masculinity, you 1. would not care what the other guy thinks of you, and 2. be able to tell the guy, "Nope, I like girls, but you're still the same person that you were yesterday so it doesn't really matter anyway. Did you see that game the other day on TV?" Reason, when applied properly can garner good results. Sounds like you have some sexual attraction problems of your own. Maybe you need to get over the fact that, oh my gosh, some or at least one of your friends might be gay. This does not mean that you cannot be comrades. It only means that you need to be secure in your own sexual desires not to let it be an issue. If you were really secure in your masculinity, you 1. would not care what the other guy thinks of you, and 2. be able to tell the guy, “Nope, I like girls, but you’re still the same person that you were yesterday so it doesn’t really matter anyway. Did you see that game the other day on TV?”

Reason, when applied properly can garner good results.

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